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ANNA QUIGLEY – ON THE KOMONDOR, CORDS AND CLUBS

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Anna Quigley is synonymous, for many in the purebred dog world, with a 110-pound, powerful, white mop. She bred, owned and handled the three-time national specialty winner, best in show winner, Westminster Kennel Club group winner that took the Komondor breed to new heights in the 1990s.

45 YEARS DEVOTED TO THE KOMONDOR

But it all started with a Rough Collie. She met her long-time breeding partner and friend, Patricia Turner, when Quigley brought her female to Turner’s stud dog to be bred. Indeed, Quigley housesat when Turner drove to California to bring home her first Komondor. Thus Bobo, and a long, successful family of robust, corded guardian dogs, entered Quigley’s life in 1973. Quigley, Turner and their extended families have been involved in the breed together for the duration of the intervening 45 years.

Quigley and Turner acquired a second Komondor from show photographer Ken O’Brien and their foundation bitch from Salt Lake City. Although Quigley noted the bitch wasn’t perfect, she had important breed qualities. They bought their foundation stud dog, Tiger, from Dottie Collier in 1976, having only ever communicated with Collier over the phone or by letter.

“There was room for people in the breed and we managed to become successful. The breed has been very good to us,” Quigley said.

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Komonodorok are not a breed that will ever become popular, Quigley noted, primarily due to the coat and the intense work required to maintain it correctly. She said a fully coated Komondor requires anywhere from seven to 10 hours to dry. I have clear memories of watching Quigley leash walk the dogs at shows with their coats tied up and tube socks on their feet.

“Here in Western Washington, we have a lot of gravel area for the dogs because it’s so wet,” Quigley said. She added that the breed’s native Hungary and parts of Europe, where the dogs still serve their traditional roles as livestock guardians, are typically far drier climates.

The breed, like many in Europe, was nearly wiped out at the end of World War II, but Quigley noted the world wide estimated population in recent years has approached 10,000.

The breed was recognized by the AKC in 1932 and the Komondor Club of America worked proactively to expand the gene pool early on.

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“Well, when we first joined the Komondor Club of America,” Quigley noted, “one of the requirements was that you could not breed any closer than three generations back. And that was to help expand the lines and create different lines.”

Quigley said it’s tough breeding a Komondor litter these days. The number of breeders, and consequently the number of dogs being exhibited, has decreased since its heyday in the late 20th century.

“… when we bought Tiger from Dottie, he was 10 months old,” Quigley said. “And he was out of an outside female and it was her puppy back. So, he was a little bit different pedigree than the rest of her litters. … often when he was used for stud, instead of taking a stud service, if the pedigree was right on the female, we would take a puppy back. …. my comment to Pat (while considering a particular stud dog) was we always agreed we’d breed to the devil if it could improve our line.”

Dahu, the dog who won the group at the garden under Irene Bivin, was originally placed in a home because Quigley and Turner didn’t want to keep another male at the time.

“We went down to see him and he was tied to a tree in the back yard,” Quigley said. “And very much willing to bite somebody. And the family really didn’t like him. So, he came back. And he just easily worked his way into our hearts and he was totally reliable with everybody in the family, but he knew how to bite. Which of course you don’t want a dog to figure out. But I went to a lot of work to open up my heart and my mind to suggestions on how to get this stopped and we did.”

Quigley and Turner would drive a couple hours each way to a handling class near Seattle to work with Dahu. “(the instructor) always tried to convince me… when he’d do the down and back, he would have a tendency to jump straight up in the air,” Quigley said. “And she said just ‘trust him to come down and be right.’ That night (in the group at Westminster Kennel Club) he jumped straight up in the air and I trusted him, and he came down in a perfect gait.”

I hope you enjoy this wonderful talk with one of the greats in our sport. Her knowledge, wisdom, humor and dedication are an inspiration.

And stick around for Allison Foley’s *excellent* advice on treating problem ears.

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TRANSCRIPT OF ANNA QUIGLEY ON KOMONDOROK

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Laura Reeves: Welcome to Pure Dog Talk. I’m your host Laura Reeves and I have a very special guest today. Anna Quigley is someone who is very, very well-known in the Northwest. I can remember seeing her with her amazing Komondor when I was just a little kid. So, Anna thank you so much for joining us and I’m excited to talk to you.

Anna Quigley: Thank you for having me.

LR: So, give us, we call it a 4 1 1, give us your background what got you started in purebred dogs and why Komondor and all that kind of great stuff.

AQ: Well actually I started in rough Collies and I had a collie. And I came up to Patricia Turner’s place to breed it and became acquainted. And I actually came up to take care of their dogs when I was 19 years old when her and her family went down to Los Angeles to get the first Komondor. And so Bobo came into our lives in 1973.

LR: That’s pretty incredible. And so what made you want to go from the Collies to the Komondor. I mean it’s not like you were downsizing your grooming.

AQ: Well in a way we were because with Collies, you dealt with the shedding and all that. But the Komondor quickly, you know, we had the first one. And she was kind of a character and we learned. I think Pat Hasting says it’s very unusual to not ruin your first of anything, any breed. And we certainly proved that point with our very first Komondor because she was spoiled as can be. They told us that you could never keep them in the crate. Well guess what. We could never keep her in a crate. And so we just got more interested and we got our second Komondor from Ken O’Brien in California, who now is a show photographer, and he had a heart problem. But we didn’t have him very long. He was two and a half when we got him and we lost him to a heart problem within a year. Then we in the meantime had purchased a dog a female from Salt Lake. And she was not the best but she had some very good basic things that the breed needed which was full dentition, and good eye color and several of the things. But she ended up becoming our foundation bitch. And we bought our foundation male from Dottie Collier in 1976. And that’s kind of where it got started and then you know we had a litter from the two of them. Went back east, I think it was in 1979, to show them and met Dottie the first time. And finished one of their get and got two majors on a female that we took back. And we had bought Tiger from her and you know you may have seen him or may not have but he was our foundation male. So that’s kind of where it all got started and the breed was very good to us. There was room for people in the breed. So we managed to become very successful and owe the breed a lot.

LR: Well and you definitely have been very, very successful. So, talk to me about Komondor numbers right like what they were in the 70s what they are today in terms of rare breeds in terms of how many of them are there world wide. I mean this is a very powerful dog, it’s a big dog. You have the big corded coat. You know this isn’t something that John Q. Public necessarily has in his home.

AQ: Yes. I don’t know numbers right now but my guess is that there’s probably less than there was when we got started. People do not have the patience for the cords if they’re showing them. There’s very few people that are showing them right now. There were several big time people that were in it in the 90s in the 80s that you know we used to have quite a concentration in California, quite a concentration in the Northeast. And I know that Nancy Liebes is not as active as she used to be. John Lambus doesn’t even own one now. Dottie stopped a long, long time ago owning the breed. So you know my guess is there’s just very, very few being shown at this point. As far as numbers, I think they’ve probably maintained about the same the whole time I’ve been in in the breed. So it’s not a breed that will ever become popular because of the coat. So and that’s a good thing. But it is tough because whereas for a while the gene pool was getting larger. Now there’s fewer dogs and you have less opportunity to see the dogs that are out there. So, it’s kind of tough breeding a litter of Komondors and finding a male that you can actually have access to. So you know at one point there was like 10,000 we figured in the world.

LR: Wow okay. I mean it’s low numbers but it’s not Otterhounds where they have 800.

AQ: No no. They were pretty well extinct after World War 2 and there was very few breedable dogs left after World War 2.

LR: OK so you’ve built back those numbers from… A lot of breeds have that same, Clumber spaniels you know had that same kind of thing. So you’re working with a pretty small gene pool and have you… Clearly if you’ve if you’ve built it back up to those kind of numbers you’ve had some success in creating sustainable genetics, Sustainable breeding programs.

AQ: Well when we first joined the Komondor Club of America one of the requirements was that you could not breed any closer than Three generations back. And that was to help expand the lines and create different lines right.

LR: And that was a requirement from the Komondor Club specifically.

AQ: Yeah

LR: That’s pretty impressive. They were focused on it even at that point in time. I think that’s pretty incredible. So talk to us a little bit. Most of our listeners are going to understand Komondor are large flock Gaurdian dogs, they have the cords and the corded coat as part of protecting them to do their job, correct?

AQ: Yes. Correct. And from the elements.

LR: Right. So talk to us about maintaining that coat for a show ring versus having one of these dogs either working as a livestock guardian or in your home as a companion.

AQ: Well I think that entirely depends on the part of the country you live in. Us living in western Washington. We get rain. So we have a lot of gravel area for the dogs which really helps maintain the coat. As a young dog, our dogs have a lot of freedom. Because we found out early on that they don’t build up that correct muscle tone and bone structure without having exercise, the coat won’t make a bit of a difference. So we really are pretty scrappy when they’re young. If we finish them and when we used to special dogs, their lives became a lot more limited. We kept different parts of the coat tied up. So we didn’t bathe them the night before the show that we did keep them tied up so they’d stay relatively clean. On blacktop it wasn’t uncommon to see me walk around the hotel parking lots with tube socks on their feet.

LR: I remember it well

AQ: Because you know trying to bathe these dogs and get those cords you know they’re dense and it takes a long time to get them dry. Now when Pat’s husband was alive, I would get up early in the morning and bathe them. And have the initial drying done by replacing towels underneath them. And her husband would finish the drying. Which really made life a lot easier and it made it easier on the dogs. But you can figure on a fully coated Komondor anywhere from seven to 10 hours to get them dry.

LR: Yeah there’s no force drying here. This is all basically like squeegeeing these hairs right?

AQ: Yeah. Well you bring them out when you first get them done bathing and then you put the blowers on them. And you want that air to circulate the warm air you know you don’t have hot air but you do have warm air. And you want that air to circulate around them. And if it was a Saturday and Sunday show we always bathed on Thursday. So that then they have Friday. Imagine this to rest out get back on their water and the rest up from the stress of a bath. And I really think that was part of our success is because the dog went to the show and they were pretty well rested up after the grooming. But if they’re working dogs normally you know you’ll find your big sheep herds in a drier hotter climate or a drier colder climates. It normally isn’t the wet climate. So the coat Maintains pretty well. You’re going to have a lot of debris on the outer edges of the coast will collect a lot of sticks and whatever debris is in the field. But at the base of the cord it’ll stay just nice and clean and white. But they’ll never be white. White. Like the dogs that go to the shows because they can’t be. And you will not see a working dog at A show because their value is in the field

LR: And they are still used as flock guardians today, Correct?

AQ: Yeah yeah. That temperament is pretty much the same as it was when they first came into the country and then when they started to get a foothold in the ring which was in the 70s they were actually recognized in 1932.

LR: I didn’t know that.

AQ: But they just never took off.

LR: So do you see them used in this country as guardians?

AQ: Yeah not so much. But we get a lot of inquiries. I will send them on to people that have more than I do. Not that I object to people selling them for working dogs but I don’t have the knowledge to back up their needs. In the United States, it appears to me that they live a lonelier life than they do in Hungary and in Europe. In Europe they have herdsmen that live right with them. And in this country they want to put them out in the field and just leave them there and let them live with the sheep. And they do love their owners. They absolutely are devoted to their owners. Still just because I’m older and I’ve been at this a long time. If somebody wants a working dog we just end up sending them someplace else because we can. I figure at my age I can do so.

LR: Talk to me a little bit about the parent club having a limited specific way of handling breedings. So talk to me a little bit about some of your successful pedigrees and how you’ve been able to build a family of dogs, working with basically some sort of one arm tied behind your back.

AQ: That’s exactly right. Well when we bought Tiger from Dottie, he was 10 months old. And he was out of an outside female and it was her puppy back. So he was a little bit different pedigree than the rest of her litters. A lot of the Komondor breeders name them by alphabet. So what we gained by that is often when he was used for stud, instead of taking a stud service if the pedigree was right on the female we would take a puppy back.

LR: Oh sure. Nice. And then you could breed that back into what you already were worth.

AQ: And then there’s a few like Dahu, the one that we did so well with. We had a real strong puppy back from a male we placed with John Lambus. And structurally, she wasn’t the brightest Komondor in the world, but she had structure galore. And we seen a dog from up in Canada at a national in Pennsylvania of all things and we went to breed to him. And my comment to Pat was we always agreed we’d breed to the devil if it could improve our line. So we bred to him and that give us Dahu. So not only did he do well in the ring he produced very nicely. And we’ve been using his frozen semen on some of our females.

LR: Didn’t you just have a litter from him not maybe a year or so ago?

AQ: Yeah, we do, and we have one male puppy from that. He Is pretty nice boy.

LR: So now Dahu, remind everybody. I certainly remember him. Remind everybody about his sort of success because he really, I think in a lot of ways, put Komondor in the public eye more than anything else.

AQ: He was born after I had retired Tiger. And we did not want to keep another male right then. And then we had sold him and when he was two and a half, he lived actually down there towards where you live. Southern Oregon. We went down to see him and he was tied to a tree in the back yard. And very much willing to bite somebody. And the family really didn’t like him. So he came back. And he just easily worked his way into our hearts and he was totally reliable with everybody in the family, but he knew how to bite. Which of course you don’t want a dog to figure out. But I went to a lot of work to open up my heart and my mind to suggestions on how to get this stopped and we did. And there was things we would change about him. His muzzle was mostly the only thing that we would change. But other than that he was a pretty darn good Komondor. And he just took off and won three Nationals and took him back to the Garden. He won the group there which was just over the top. Happy for that. And he just was a really solid all around dog and he also produced. He actually produced one of the dogs that we always felt was our very best dog which was his son. But his success came with a lot of work and a lot of commitment to the breed and to him.

LR: And I think it’s a pretty amazing story and a testament both to your commitment to him and the breed but also to the breeds resiliency. I think that’s very impressive.

AQ: Yeah for two years after I got it back I raised my hand to pull my hair back, he’d hit the ground. He’d been hit in the head so much. But he figured it out. I mean he figured out that we were committed to him and he had to learn that we would keep him safe. And once he knew we would keep him safe. Then that night at Wesminster, you know, I knew that Irene Bivin liked him because she’d seen him in Vancouver. But this was New York. You never knew he which Dahu, which I don’t think you ever can predict what Komondor is ever going to show up. He was a fun loving dog. We drove from here up to Jane Anderson’s handling class. She always tried to convince me when he’d do the down and back, he would have a tendency to jump straight up in the air. And she said just trust him to come down and be right. That night he jumped straight up in the air and I trusted him and he came down in a perfect gait. And the nice thing about that dog he lived to be fourteen and a half. So he was the size that enabled him to live. Where as his son, who was a beautiful type dog out of a Hungarian import. And Cruz was 145 pounds as compared to Dahu at 108. But Cruise at 7 had arthritis so bad that he barely could handle the baths and then go to the show. He would just shake, his back legs would shake. And Cruise was gone by 10. So if I had to choose. I think that 110 lb type Komondor could do the job, if he was out in the field doing the job he could have done that job until he was 13, easy. And that’s been my favorite size area because they just long lived. And when we look at our Komondors we always think to ourselves is this the dog that would give a farmer who puts two to three years into trusting the dog, another 10 years service of work. And that’s what we set our goal as. They don’t have to be giants when they’re coming from here.

LR: Well and I think that you make such a valid point. Bigger is not necessarily better even in our large breeds. And I think sometimes we lose sight of that.

AQ: Yeah but unfortunately our standards says bigger the better all the things considered. So you definitely don’t want midgets. But in the 70s and 80s our average Komondor was twenty six twenty seven my favorite size Komondor’s twenty seven twenty seven and a half. That seems like a good size that will do the job for quite a while.

LR: Talk to us about the heads you talked about Dahu had just a little bit short in the muzzle. So it’s been too long since I read the standard. Give our listeners the description of the head that your standard puts out there because these are dogs as flock guardians they have to be able to stand up to the large predators right? So that head and jaw is really really important.

AQ: What you want is about 60 40. 60 percent of the back skull and 40 percent of the muzzle. You want a really good truncated muzzle. Where I would have changed Dahu, not his width of muzzle. He had a full muzzle. But I’d like him to have more under jaw to make it more truncated. You want a nice full head. The membership voted and added two inches to the recommended size of our standard. And that made a taller leaner dog. Well when you think about a wolf or coyote coming on this dog. You don’t want a dog they can easily get their get their mouth around. So along with the head, just for that we don’t have as many good heads right now and our breed as we did in the 70s. We kind of lost a little. But you want that fullness of body. So that the dog, you don’t want a Saint Bernard type body but you want a full body. So that the coyote just can’t grab them and take them down. …just commentary on the fact that the dog had to be able to outmaneuver …

LR: So Anna I think the other thing that is always been sort of a wonderful testament to your involvement with the sport and with your breed. This was a family affair if you will and I loved always seeing the kids at the shows and all of that. So if you could offer our listeners, kind of some advice or encouragement or thoughts about going forward in this sport and what makes it great and what they can do to help make it great.

AQ: Our Timberland dog club just recently had a family that joined and one of the questions put to the club is what can junior membership do for junior members. And my comment to the board and to the club. The door’s open. This is an area that I think all clubs and all breeders need to really consider because it’s a sport that’s not bringing in families. Because I don’t think it has anything to do with the sport itself as much as both parents are working. They don’t have the time. So we really need to concentrate on how we can help these young people to encourage them to continue to come to the show and they won’t stay even unless the parents are involved of course. And so Nick did not stay involved. Unfortunately he didn’t because he can Really show a dog. But he works construction. And sometimes I can talk him into if I call him and get him to help me at a show you know I don’t show so much. So he’ll come but he doesn’t have the time. But I think it’s getting more and more difficult for families to get involved. I remember when I was showing the Puli and there was several new herding breed let into the herding group. And it just means that what we need to do is take the time to help them to know when to do things when they’re in the group. Helping them out be a friendly face. Because it’s a sport that’s going to get harder and harder to make it. And without young people coming in it won’t make it. It’ll make it to some extent but not at the level that you and I came into the sport.

LR: Right. And I think your discussion of things that clubs can do to encourage younger members. And I was telling this to somebody else, I think it’s really, really interesting to me. A great deal of the people who listen to this podcast for example and people who are coming in as new exhibitors. The trend appears to be, to me and I’m going to be talking to AKC soon and maybe they’ll have some more numbers on this. What we’re seeing, instead of teenagers or young people as much, we’re seeing middle aged people, empty nesters people who are maybe retired early or they finally have the time and the resources to put towards this passion. And I think that is a fascinating trend and has some really good potential actually for this for the sport and for the clubs. Because you have people with the wherewithal, with the time, with the resources that, if we are nice to them and help them, that they stick around and help us build the sport.

AQ: I think one thing that I’ve noticed, as well, is what I was in many, many cases because of the Internet, sometimes people get information that pulls them away from people that breed with AKC and try to keep up the health standards. I’ve noticed that lately in Komondors. That people get information and they can really sour people. And we have to be aware that our words matter. And I don’t know that we can always help every bit of it because we’re always going to have that we always have. But I think with the onset of the Internet I think sometimes misinformation and bad feelings get going quicker than it ever did in the past. I was thinking the other day about about Dottie Collier and how many letters were sent back and forth because it was back when you know phone calls weren’t cheap. But to meet her the first time, and the impact that had. And also and then how it would have changed in this day and age. You meet people, you’ve seen them showing on pictures on Facebook and so much has changed. But at the same time in my opinion it’s made the sport more vulnerable. Because people can judge and they do. So I think we just all have to be very much aware of what we’re saying and how we’re saying that.

LR: I think that is absolutely invaluable advice. And I really appreciate you sharing that with folks and I know you are actively involved in your club and giving back to the sport all the time. So thank you.

AQ: That’s my most activity is to my club. Now I don’t show much but I keep trying and I keep stressing the folks who are and they want to join. They want to work the club you know the weekend. I say hey you know when I was showing I looked at it if I wanted to I could almost go to a show every weekend. That’s somebody else’s work. And I always felt like it was my obligation to give back a weekend. Pat and I both stayed active. We don’t go the shows as much. Although I have Two young animals I really like. You might see me back more.

LR: Good! I’m Excited. I’ve missed seeing you.

AQ: Yeah I miss everybody. But I don’t know how I ever had time. I think one thing that really changed for us was when Pat’s husband passed away. And I think not having him here it just changed the ability to go. But I love the sport. I still keep up with the sport. I love my breed. Even though I know my age we have to keep track of how many we have. We’ve kind of been running the geriatric for the ward. You’ll see us back. So thank you for asking me.

LR: Thanks so much. You have a great day.

AQ: OK bye bye.

ALLISON FOLEY ON EARS

LR: Welcome Pure Dog Talk listeners. We are here with Allison Foley from the Leading Edge Dog Show Academy. And Alison is going to talk to us today about medication for our dogs’ ears. Her favorites and how best to apply them. And when you might need them and how you might know. So welcome Allison.

AF: Hi Laura. How are you today.

LR: I am awesome how are you today.

AF: I’m excellent. Thank you.

LR: Excellent. So talk about these little these little earballs.

AF: Yeah. So this all started with a and I had a problem with a few years ago. So just before we get to my aha moment, I am going to talk to you about actual your medication. So I think so often people kind of poo poo the importance of having your dog’s ears diagnosed properly. If you think there’s a problem. Right. So if there is a lot of black tar coming out of your dog’s ears, your dog just shaking their head excessively. And of course the smell test. If you lift up your dog’s ear leather and you smell and knocks you out then clearly there is a problem there. So the first mistake I think people make is they self diagnose you know the last time the veterinarian gave me Surolan For this. Surolan will fix every single ear infection under the sun. Therefore I’m going to treat this year with Surolan. And I’m not trying to pick on Surolan. But you know canaural, panalog or whatever you know your veterinarian normally prescribes is not one size fits all. So really just take the time, you’re going to do yourself and your dog a favor if you just get it properly diagnosed. So you know that’s kind of my go to. And secondly you know we’ve talked in the past about making sure that if you have a dog that has a lot of hair in their ears that it is plucked to a certain extent. So you want it plucked enough that there’s air circulation there. So if there’s air circulation that means that the medication can get to where it needs to go.

So the absolute worst time to pluck your dog’s ear is when it does have an ear problem. Because then you’re going to make a little tiny you know abrasions as you’re plucking the ear even just where the hair follicle leaves the actual ear canal. And so that’s just going to make a bigger messier infection. So if you haven’t properly plucked your ear or you run into a problem once you have a problem it is not the time to do it. So now we’re going to get to the point where we have our dog. They have a problem that needs attention. You’ve taken it to your veterinarian and your veterinarian has prescribed you the proper medication. So this is where my aha moment came in. And I had had a dog who had a chronic problem you know like after like four months I still didn’t have it cleared up. And so then I talked to a veterinarian client of mine and I just like to say you know I have full faith in my veterinarian. But why is this happening. And so again it came to a very simple solution but I had not done that in my 30 years professionally in dogs until about four years ago. So here it is. So first of all we all know when we take medication antibiotics that we need to complete a full course of antibiotics for it to be effective. We might feel better after two days but if we stop taking the medication we’re building resistance to that antibiotic and b we aren’t really better. We’re starting to feel better we’re starting to beat the infection but we have not completely beaten it.

So none of us really finish our full prescription of antibiotics. You know we might get down to two days left. Sometimes you know there’s one bottle left at the end. But that’s a struggle. But we have to make sure we are very diligent when it comes to our dog. Well the saying goes for ear medication. We can’t use your medication twice and it looks better and then we stop. Because we’re just inviting the infection to get stronger, to become resistant to that antibiotic, because typically you know they have some kind of antibiotic in them. And then we’re just inviting the problem again. So on top of that is the problem with directions on ear medications. Now again I am not a veterinarian but I am telling you my aha moment from an awesome veterinarian and it was this. It says on the bottle or on your prescription that your dog needs five to 10 drop in the ear canal. Well first of all once you take that applicator that has typically a long slender nozzle and get it into the ear canal. How do you know when you’ve put in five or ten drops. How do you know it’s not two or 22 drops.

You can’t. So then if you’re dropping the drop from where you can see how many drops are actually getting in there then they’re not getting as efficiently into the actual ear canal where they need to be. And he told me that he used for his entire clients which was the this. Anytime He dispenses medication, he dispenses empty bottle like a little bottle that has a removable lid. And he tells his client to put the entire bottle of medication into this applicator bottle. And then he gives them ten days worth of syringes. And he simply tells them basically again I’m going to use my analogy, he was more scientific, but if a small dog would use half a mill and on a big dog he would use one mill which is approximately 10 drops half the mill approximately five drops. And then once you have drawn the appropriate amount of your medication into the syringe, you can then place that syringe. And you know that you’re getting the proper dosage where it needs to go. Now this seems really simple and I am telling you my ears have cleaned up in the seven to ten day recommended period ever since I have adopted this procedure. He sends along ten syringes. So everyday I have a new syringe. I’m not putting you know an old dirty contaminated syringe in that dog’s ear. And it is one of those things that has changed my ear health life with my dogs.

LR: I love it. It changed my life and I think absolutely you’re dead on Allison. Getting your dog’s ear properly diagnosed. I want to go back to that one because I am as guilty of it as anybody else. I had a dog this last summer. Young Wirehaired pointer dog that I couldn’t get his ears cleaned up. And I’m using all my right stuff. And finally I’m like I can’t get this fixed. And I finally took him into the vet like I should’ve done in the first place. She says oh hey look at all these Fox tails down here in the bottom of his ear canal. I think it’s a very, very important point to make sure that if you have something going on with your dog’s ears. Spend the money. Take it to a trained professional. Have them look in there. They can diagnose a particular type of yeast. They can diagnose a particular type of bacteria. They can diagnose foxtail or a foreign object. So dead on. Absolutely. Thank you Alison and listeners don’t forget. Alison has the pure dog talk 25 code available when you sign up for a leading edge dog show Academy you get Twenty five percent discount. So buy yourself a cup of coffee.

AF: Yeah yeah that’d be great. Excellent.

LR: Thanks a lot Allison

AF: Thanks Laura

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